VP Debate: Ryan holds the fort, while Biden is buffoonish

Last week in the initial presidential debate, Romney’s win over Obama more closely resembled a 90-minute video game, with Obama having been stuck with the broken controller. It became a rout almost immediately, and you stuck around only to see how bad the final tally would be.

In contrast, this week’s Vice-Presidential debate was more closely contested, but was still memorable for two big reasons: demeanor and facts.

First, the facts. Biden started the evening off by pulling a Bart Simpson (“it wasn’t me!!”), essentially blaming our Intelligence Community for the Administration’s repeated lies about Benghazi.

From Commentary Magazine:

The vice president claimed that the story the administration put out about the terrorist attack on the consulate and the murder of the U.S. ambassador being part of the fallout from a controversial anti-Muslim video was the fault of the intelligence they were given. But rather than put the issue to bed, it raises even more troubling questions about not only about the security disaster but also about the lack of leadership shown by senior administration officials including the president. It also contradicts State Department testimony and other comments from intelligence officials that they knew it was a terror attack within 24 hours of it happening.

For Biden to put all of the blame for the lies about the video and the denial of terrorism on intelligence officials says a lot about the complete breakdown of administration counter-terror policy. His denial that anyone in Washington knew that the story put forward Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations wasn’t true seems implausible. Even if true, it speaks to administration incompetence.

Smart Power“. It’s worked just awesome so far.

Joe being Joe, he was just getting warmed up. This from the Washington Free Beacon:

Vice President Joe Biden accused Rep. Paul Ryan of putting two wars on the “credit card,” and then suggested he voted against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

[Actually], Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

Further, if you re-read that quote, what the Beacon doesn’t single out is the “put a prescription drug plan on the credit card” part of Biden’s quote. His finding fault with that is curious, since he voted for it, too, along with many of its expansions.

Hey, maybe he forgot?

And now, and perhaps most importantly in the long run, the demeanor.

I have to assume that it was drilled into Biden’s semi-porous cranium that he had to attack, attack, attack the entire night. Well, if that was his goal, he succeeded. However, he also succeeded in portraying himself as an overbearing, contemptuous, insufferable creep.

I promise you: that is a charitable description.  

I listen to Wallace every week, and he’s no partisan. He is, in fact, often much tougher on Republicans than anyone this side of MSNBC. His portrayal of Biden is accurate to a fault: Biden exhibited the manners of the drunk guy at your last office party, hectoring the bartender for “one more for the road”. I haven’t seen as epic an interruption (or in this case, a blizzard of them) since Kanye West and Taylor Swift. Virtually ever time Ryan spoke, Biden would begin yammering. The most recent tally that I’ve seen so far is Biden=82 interruptions, Ryan=6. If that’s even close to the official total (and I think it may be too low), that tells you all you need to know.

Biden wasn’t done. As Wallace intimated, even during the times that Ryan could string three sentences together without Joe “My turn! My turn!” Biden butting in, he amused himself by laughing. Snickering. Smirking. Openly guffawing. Rolling his eyes. And generally behaving like your 9-year-old when they argue with a sibling.

It was pathetic.

Feel free to watch all or part of it below. I’m warning you, though: within the first 30 minutes, you will have lost whatever remaining respect you had for our current VP. And the next 30 minutes is worse.


Ryan was solid throughout, and presented himself as smart (we knew that), and in control of the facts (knew that, too). Ryan didn’t outright win the evening so much as Biden discredited himself from consideration with his churlish, clownish behavior. Among Independents especially, I think that will count against Biden far more than any policy points he may have scored.

Before the debate, I had initially decided against including this cartoon. Now it’s more than appropriate.


UPDATE: Ed over at HotAir.com has video of Biden claiming to have voted against the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, citing them both as the reason for the massive deficits we now face. As I mentioned, this is a complete and total lie.

Check out his post, and you won’t have to sift through the entire debate video (above) to see it.

24 responses to “VP Debate: Ryan holds the fort, while Biden is buffoonish

  1. LivinRightinPGH

    Ryan certainly did NOT take advantage of various opportunities that I felt were GLARINGLY deserving of some retort. It would have been nice for him to look at Biden and say: “So, you’re saying that your State Department officials LIED under oath?” And there were others.
    Still, I have to say that in spite of any of the rhetoric flying back and forth last night, this debate will be seen and remembered for Biden’s misplaced, Cheshire Cat grins, grunts, groans, chortles, and outright rudeness, just as you point out, JTR.

    Ryan best summed up the evening with his line: When you don’t have a record to run on, or one that you’re trying to cover up, you attack your opponent. With less than a month to go, we can be sure of one thing: the gutter level tactics of team Obama have YET to reach their depths.

    • No question, Pgh.
      In sales parlance, Ryan “left money on the table”.

      However, as I replied to Hatfield below, this was not a good night for Biden. The spinners will have their work cut out for them to make Joe “Get off my lawn” Biden look good last night.

  2. Liberals debate everything the way Biden did last night and that is why they think Biden trounced Ryan completely.

    Biden mostly employed the “Everything that guy just said is bull$%#t” technique from “My Cousin Vinny” as his rebuttal argument to Ryan’s fact-based points.

    • I used to see this on the playground growing up. After that, I really haven’t witnessed it other than if I happen to catch Chris Matthews on ‘Hardball’: interrupt, impugn, insult, laugh at, mock and generally make an a$$ of yourself.
      Don’t know where that’s viewed as attractive, but it sure ain’t in my house.

      As I said in the post: pathetic.

      I’ve been listening to the reviews on the radio this morning on my way to/from appointments: they’re not kind to Biden in the slightest. All but the hardcore Lefties think Biden damaged the brand, even the just-center-Left folks. One guy, a lifelong Dem who campaigned for Obama in ’08, went so far as to say that he’d never seen ANY grown man act so immaturely toward another adult in his lifetime.

      It was maddening to witness, but this will end up being a “Max Fail” moment for the Dems. For every base voter they excited, they turned off two more Independents.

      The polls in the coming days should be interesting.

      • Was watching a news show this morning, and they had a Dem “spokesperson” on. The comment was made to them that the post-debate polls showed preference to Ryan, to which the Dem replied: “What do you expect from a Fox poll?”

        The look on his face was priceless when the hosts informed him that the two polls in reference were from CNN and CNBC.

        PS: I would STILL like an answer on Benghazi….all Biden did was muddy the waters further last night. Apparently, while preparing for the debate, he failed to know what his own people were saying, under oath, on Capitol Hill.

        • Tell me what show that was, and I’ll see if I can’t find video of it later today.
          Thanks, Pgh…

          • Well, after not being able to sleep thanks to my Steelers going down in flames (AGAIN) on a last second field goal, all I can tell you is that it was between 3 and 5 this morning! LOL!

            • Yeah, don’t know which was harder to watch:
              the debate with “Court Jester” Biden yucking it up, or the Steelers wasting a perfectly good offensive effort.

              I should have watched an old “Law & Order”…

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  4. New game app for your phone, Angry Biden he throws crap whenever he opens his mouth. Clearly I agree above that Ryan let some opportunities slip by but I believe Ryan thought Biden was doing his work for him. Biden looked like an angry man, not the vice president and Ryan just let him hang himself.

    I expected Biden to be on the offensive, not look like somebody who just got released from a mental ward and forgot his medication.

    • Blaine,
      “Angry Biden app” may be one of the best terms coined this week.
      I know that I’M gonna try to shoehorn it into a post, as soon as I can!

      Last night was a disgrace, and I hope somebody puts Biden on a Thorazine drip for the next few weeks.
      No, scratch that. I hope they DON’T.

      The more Biden acts like a 69-year-old Veruca Salt, deriding the existence of political Snozzberries, the better off we all are.

  5. What I took away from the debate was Biden doubling down on Team Obama’s favorite strategy – HOPE. Biden defended our inaction with Iran because he thinks enriching Uranium to weapons grade level is too hard for the Iranians. He HOPES Iran can’t figure it out. Hope is not a strategy used by adults.

    • Good observation, Cosmo.
      “Hope is not a strategy” is probably one of the best soundbites from the two debates thus far.
      And “Hope” has been disastrous for us, on every front. It will be incalculably MORE so in the next 4 years if we don’t rid ourselves of the two current clowns in the WH.

      Thanks for being here, brother.

      Oh, I am probably going to use part (or more likely all) of your AGW post tomorrow, if that’s OK. I simply don’t have the head for the science stuff, and you do a far better job on that than I can.


  6. Loved it! So true! Keep up the good work.

  7. Thanks JTR for the kind words and feel free to use any of my blog at any time!

  8. Anybody catch the “deer in the headlights ” look on Biden’s face when Radditz asked what happens if Assad stays in power in Syria?

    The question was quickly steered to Ryan.

  9. LivinRightinPGH

    This scoring update just in:

    Romney/Ryan – 2 Obama/Biden – Negative 2

    Normally, you’d think it would just be 2 to 0, but both the Zero and the Angry Man (still think he looks like Walter the Puppet. Especially last night.) must have a point deducted for each of their performances.

    • I agree with the scoring, Pgh, and I also agree with the similarity to “Walter”, Jeff Dunham’s ventriloquist dummy.

      Was actually going to use a video clip of him, but couldn’t find an acceptable one to use.
      …..That puppet cusses a TON.

      • LivinRightinPGH

        I wonder what Biden says (off camera) in place of “malarkey”……..You know, like his quote: “This is a big ‘malarkey’ deal”

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